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    I was thinking more about this. Everyone that had money, how did that work for you for water, bread and TP? You might have gotten a couple extra, but for most people, it didn't matter the price.


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    My lifestyle does not require a great deal of money because I buy in bulk when it is on sale. In addition, moving towards self efficiency reduces the dependency on others to obtain the necessities of life.

    When the coronavirus hit, a stockpile of 50 rolls of TP ensured this would not be a concern. I do not buy bottled water because it is a waste of money, so this is not an issue. Three water treatment systems ensures water is available with numerous lakes within five miles of my home. As far as bread, we have all of the ingratiates and my wife loves to bake. I prefer flour taco shells because of their shelf longevity and price.

    An item that you did not address is protein in the form of meat. This might be a concern given the shutdown of numerous processors. A freezer full of meat is normal and will ensure that high prices will not impact my family.

    To answer the question, I have enough money and will not need to pay increased prices for many items. I am fortunate and feel for those that do not have the luxury that I enjoy. On another note, Dave Ramsey recommends that you create an emergency fund to cover a few months of living expenses. A strategy of one years worth of funds might be the new recommendation given the current pandemic.
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    I started refilling the pantry just after the Covid thing broke loose. The thing is to be proactive not reactive. You need to stay three steps ahead of an unfolding situation at any given time.

    We're going to spend x amount of dollars on food over the next year anyway. I can either keep it as food in the freezer or as emergency fund money in the bank. During stable times, it's often easier to have it in money form. During unsettled times it's better to have it in food form.

    Water is not a problem. I prefer bottled water but our well water is perfectly drinkable. If the power goes out .... i know how to turn our electric pump into a hand pump.

    Honestly .... i can't imagine ever having to take up arms against anyone. Been in a few difficult situations when i was younger and would never want to find myself there again. I'm gettin' way too old for all that Rambo $hit. Any supply of ammo would be for the purpose of harvesting game. It's also suitable as a medium of barter/trade if cash isn't available.

    I doubled down on our meat protein storage when the plant closings were first announced as a proactive measure. There was no meat and no produce in the freight order that arrived at our two grocery stores yesterday.

    That's the problem with money. You can be wealthy, but it's all but useless if the product isn't available on the shelf to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    Everytime there is a down turn people hoard things for SHTF. People always assume they can hoard and sell stuff, but if it's that bad that you don't have money.... your neighbors don't have money... Is the scrap yard going to have money? What are you going to do with the money? Buy stuff that after a month isn't there because companies don't have money to buy stuff? I've never understood that. Or the buy ammo to defend. Are you going to stay up 24/7? And if it's that bad, they are going to shoot first and steal second. I've just never understood this.
    And hoarding copper and aluminum...... if SHTF bad enough for such basic commodities to even matter, there's going to be hundreds of millions of dead people laying in the streets to snag gold rings off of... millions of empty homes to ransack for gold jewelry, silver jewelry & cutlery, etc LOOOOONG before copper & aluminum (which would also be readily available in said homes) would be worth more than ballast.

    Makes no sense.

    If SHTF, I'll make a note of where I bury the ammo boxes of precious metals, but the box I'll take with me will contain several thousand brass&lead objects with which I will be able to obtain day-to-day necessities with much greater ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    Everytime there is a down turn people hoard things for SHTF. People always assume they can hoard and sell stuff, but if it's that bad that you don't have money.... your neighbors don't have money... Is the scrap yard going to have money? What are you going to do with the money? Buy stuff that after a month isn't there because companies don't have money to buy stuff? I've never understood that. Or the buy ammo to defend. Are you going to stay up 24/7? And if it's that bad, they are going to shoot first and steal second. I've just never understood this.
    Not everyone stock piles with the idea that it will produce money when SHTF. When you only look at money for survival, you are going down the wrong path in my opinion. Repurposing items for a new use will be a valuable negotiating tool. Creativity and knowledge will be more valuable than all the gold and money in the world. History is a valuable tool and provides insight into what is important to maintain your quality of life. Prior to most disaster's, education is at the top of the food chain, but during a crisis technical skills have more value. Farmers, blacksmith's, and people with common sense will be more valued than the economist.

    Firearms/ammo do extend a persons sphere of influence, but there value for harvesting game is more important. I do not need to stay awake 24 hrs. per day to protect myself. A prime example is when certain counties in New York published a list of names and addresses of concealed permits in their area. One story says it all. A person that was revealed turned it to their advantage by posting a yard sign stating that they do have a permit but their neighbors do not. What home would you attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot76 View Post

    Firearms/ammo do extend a persons sphere of influence, but there value for harvesting game is more important. I do not need to stay awake 24 hrs. per day to protect myself. A prime example is when certain counties in New York published a list of names and addresses of concealed permits in their area. One story says it all. A person that was revealed turned it to their advantage by posting a yard sign stating that they do have a permit but their neighbors do not. What home would you attack?
    It's a very good point. Anyone living in this area year round would know that there's at least one firearm in most homes. I think that would give just about anyone pause for thought before breaking into a place that's occupied.

    Maybe take a lesson from history as far as metals go ? Traditional coinage has always been gold, silver, and copper. Some of the oldest coins were made over 2,500 years ago.

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    I think you guys are talking about **** hitting the fan in the most dire form, economic collapse, rioting, government upheavals.... Im hoarding just so that when the yards by me open back up, I can cash it all in, with the expectation that money will be worth something still, but people will be hurting for it more than usual... My normal operations are turn and burn, I clear everything out ASAP. If **** really really hits the fan, my pile will be worthless. Just boarding for some extra money in the time between quarintine being lifted and whatever follows. I don't think it will get to true shtf levels.... Just 2008, or a little worse, levels of economic depression

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    Quote Originally Posted by kss View Post
    I think you guys are talking about **** hitting the fan in the most dire form, economic collapse, rioting, government upheavals.... Im hoarding just so that when the yards by me open back up, I can cash it all in, with the expectation that money will be worth something still, but people will be hurting for it more than usual... My normal operations are turn and burn, I clear everything out ASAP. If **** really really hits the fan, my pile will be worthless. Just boarding for some extra money in the time between quarintine being lifted and whatever follows. I don't think it will get to true shtf levels.... Just 2008, or a little worse, levels of economic depression
    Sorry, I did not mean to derail your thread.

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    Im not too worried about shtf, i just hoard copper and brass cause its hard work stripping motors and trasformers for copper, and wrenching brass valves off water lines and such. I look at it like every time i go to the yard with a load of steel i'll bring 1 bucket of copper and 1 of brass with me when prices are up, i'll be getting $200+ a trip, and around $600+ a week like last time prices were good. I know its worth more than current prices of copper at $1.40/lb and brass at $1/lb. Its just too much work for such little reward. I get tons of steel and pallets to get by on so the copper and brass is just a bonus and if i need some quick cash, 1 bucket of copper and 1 of brass is still like $120 and a load of steel is currently like only $25. So if i need a new truck tire or starter so to speak, i could easy put the copper and brass in the car and run it in, not so much the steel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot76 View Post
    Sorry, I did not mean to derail your thread.
    Lol! You didn't! All good discussion !

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    Hoard and stockpile copper and brass without apology! The day will come upon us, where the price will go up and it will be payday. I went to a city dump and rounded up some copper from plumbing. A former coworker offered to sell me some used electric motors. If the price is right, I will purchase it. Old school in our region is going to have a wing demolished. Contacted organization that owns it and waiting for word, when I can go to that building and start scrapping. They are taking free will offering, for whatever you take out.

    For security, I ordered deadbolt locks for my storage building. Because of the Pandemic, I am going one step further in locking up the hoard.

    As far as aluminum, if you do not have space to store it, sell it. Put the cash to good use.

    Gas prices are down, so I can go further away to collect scrap. Cheaper drive to scrap yards to sell items, too.

    Spring cleaning is going on and there are appliances, etc, that are just sitting there on the curb for the taking. If you are stuck at home, then make good use of time by scrapping.

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    Here is the video of where I got the idea. I just used some scrap wood laying around.


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    I put my Copper wire into plastic paint pails without the lid on it & stack them on top of each other & the weight squashes them down a lot.

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    Similar thing here. I use 5 gallon buckets with a plastic bag inside. I wrote the weight of the bucket ( tare weight ) on the outside. I change the bag out when the copper in the bucket hits 20.10 lbs. The extra tenth of a pound allows for the weight of the bag.

    It makes it quick n easy for the scale guys when it's well organized.

    Having exactly 20 lbs per bag also discourages a dishonest yard from trying to cheat you on the weight.

    It could also be done in 20 kilo bags if you're on the metric system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18c troll View Post
    I dont have the space to hoard steel and its only 2 cents a pound here. So I have been really selective on the things I pick up. I made a brick maker for my copper #2 to press it down and stocking those up. Even debating picking up aluminum now.
    I have a poor mans brick maker. I just put my #2 in a 5 gallon bucket, then when it gets almost full I put another 5 gallon bucket full of heavy steel on top of that and leave it for a day . This compresses the #2 down, and I can now put more in there. Seems to do a pretty good job.


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