I gave the yard the footage in case the guy wants to come back later & try to blame the forklift driver, but I think he was going to blow it off since he was pretty obviously at fault.
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I gave the yard the footage in case the guy wants to come back later & try to blame the forklift driver, but I think he was going to blow it off since he was pretty obviously at fault.
Out of clutter, find simplicity. --Albert Einstein
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Ooops....
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Usually when the forklift comes across the yard here they repeatably honk the horn........I didn't hear anything on video........Either way looks like no harm no foul
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Good point about the horn, or rather the lack thereof.Originally Posted by mikeinreco
It resulted in a pretty good bend in the guy's front bumper, and some orange paint scraped off the side of the forklift. Those things tend to be rather scratched up anyway, though. Obviously, no damage to the forklift body.
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I guess we all have our own points of view.
Personally, i put it more on the forklift operator. Admittedly, there's not very much to go on, but my first impression is that guy really needs to do an attitude check. He's wheeling around like the whole yard is supposed to revolve around him. Seems arrogant to me. Either that ... or so caught up in what he's doing that he's not situationally aware of his surroundings.
I'm not vastly experienced with heavy equipment but did spend 30 yrs in the construction trades. Ran my share of backhoes,large plow trucks, and forklifts. It's gotta be safety first when you're on the jobsite. The operator is almost always responsible if there's a mishap with the piece of equipment that he's running.
In a situation like the one above ... you stop your machine and make eye contact with the driver of the white pickup before rushing out in front of him. That way he knows you are there.
It might be a " one off " but if i were the yard manager ... i would have to think about disciplining the forklift operator. At the very least ... write up an incident report. Maybe more if it's warranted.
Again ... just an opinion.
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Shouldn't the pickup driver look in front of him before he moves forward? Yes the forklift driver should have honked and should be faulted for not honking, but... legally I don't know - but from what I feel is a reasonable expectation, it's the pickup driver who is at fault. Kinda like blaming a wall for being built somewhere that you run into head on. Or even a glass door. Just my opinion. Trying to be open minded but looks pretty clear cut to me. The truck driver was at a dead stop... not like he was already moving and the forklift flew in front of him...
Last edited by SKWrapper; 10-11-2019 at 12:20 PM.
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Not carefulling
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Could the forklift driver have prevented the accident? Yes. He could have stopped when the pickup stopped in mid-backup.... and he probably should have been honking as he was crossing the yard. Probably going a scoch too fast.
STILL. At most, 90-10 pickup driver's fault.
This yard handles probably a couple-few hundred tons of material every day. If their forklift drivers stop every time they get within 25 feet of anyone, they'd never get any work done.
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That place kinda looks a bit familiar. Oh yeah that place was where I first started working out of high school. Fun times. You live in the area?Every yard I've been to have signs posted in obvious locations cautioning equipment has right of way.
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You gotta be careful about assumptions. To be honest ... i was thinking along similar lines. Was wondering if he might have been texting or making a call on his cell.
From a legal point of view ... you guys are most probably right. The driver is clearly at fault. It appears that the white truck's brake light didn't come on till after he struck the forklift ?
Here's the turning point for me:
I'm assuming that the driver of the white truck is a customer. When on my jobsite ... the customer ALWAYS comes first. Customer service is top priority. Everything else comes second .... including myself .... including the task that i'm currently working on.
The other guys on my jobsite, the guys that work there every day, they know the score. They move in predictable ways.
The customers on the other hand ... they're a stranger in a strange land. They do stupid things and move in unpredictable ways. They're a danger not only to themselves but to me as well. It's my responsibility to see them safely in and out of my workspace. It's all part of serving the customer.
The other thing is that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the white truck moving oddly. Defensive driving dictates that you give that one a wide berth.
~ It's just common sense. ~
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Every yard I've been to have signs posted in obvious locations cautioning equipment has right of way.
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I edited the video for brevity... the previous 3-4 minutes would have told you even more about how oddly he was moving. Probably his first time at a scrapyard, he clearly didn't know what to do/where to go/how to get there.
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I blame the devil.
Poor guy is always the scape...goat.
Does anyone ever to think to send him a card at the Holidays? Satan has feelings to you know!
"The devil made me do it." Show me proof he put the peer pressure on you..."All the other sinners are doing it...you know you wanna to.."
Talk about stereotyping...fella has some hooves, horns, eats souls, doesn't always mean he's a bad person...demon...whatever.
Demon/devil lives matter people.
If you take this post seriously.....lighten up. after all...the devil made me do it.
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Lol ... poor old Lucifer Morningstar. The bringer of light and truth. Totally got a bad rap. They turned him into the big bad boogeyman to frighten ignorant peasants and little children into behaving themselves.
I say it's an " Act of God ".
After all, he IS the big boss. He set this all in motion. It's no fair that he gets all the credit for the good stuff and one of his subordinates gets the blame for the bad. ( Kinda like corporate America that way ... ehh ?)
On the other hand maybe it's Illa's fault. Leave it to a woman to screw up G-d's plan.
Last edited by hills; 10-13-2019 at 11:48 AM.
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We get that here too with all of the tourists that come to visit in the summer. It pisses the locals off to no end. My attitude is that they are our guests so we need to be tolerant and understanding. You know ... make allowances for them not knowing and be extra careful when you see one on the road. That way nobody gets hurt.
From my point of view, this really isn't about who's to blame. That seems pretty clearcut from a legal point of view.
In respect to BG's point ... the signs at the yard help more from a legal liability point of view.
This is just a good object lesson in job safety. We can learn something useful from it.
See we've got a forklift operator buzzing along working productively and really banging the work out. That's a good thing but then there was a mishap.
It might have cost him an extra five minutes if he had come to a complete stop and patiently waited for the guy in the white pickup to figure himself out. Unfortunately, there was an accident. It didn't look that bad but maybe a thousand dollars to fix.
This wasn't a big deal .... it's battlefield conditions and $hit happens.
The thing is that it might be a big deal next time around. Maybe a piece of equipment gets damages. Maybe somebody gets hurt. Maybe there's a lawsuit.Maybe OSHA and the Feds get involved with all of their fines & stuff. These things run into big bucks. It's a heck of a lot more than the cost of a little bit of lost productivity.
Jobs safety and accident prevention is just good business.
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