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    no scrappinred… I was just like all of you not too long ago. I still prowl the streets today for tis and scrap. hey if I get one tv off the streets and into certified recycle I'm happy.
    not intended as an insult… but I know that when I first started not only did I have to learn the rules I had to then teach some of my now biggest suppliers of what was going on within the county and once they learned that they were on the edge of breaking new laws being passed. only then did it get easier for me to get clients.
    I will say that the way Florida wants to go …. its only going to open up for more to get in. but really trying to make everyone go above board.


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    With alot of us escrapers generating lots of plastic, I would think there would be a way to process it ourselves so we don't loose money paying for it(kind of like the shopping bag press where stuff is melted instead of burnt). Problem is what to do with it or where to sell it once it's been processed. I personally have set myself up as an end of life escrapper meaning everything that comes in to me gets taken down to the component and then sold while the boards are shredded(except for outstanding consignments) and in a way i'm hoarding components until they sell. I've gone with this business model because I have the space for it, the equipment, and prices on what I intake aren't the greatest.

    that's me and my 0.02
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    From what I've heard a lot of plastics can't be reused, that's why county recyclers only take very limited types of plastic for free. Mike

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    almost every plastic is reuseable...SOME just not cost effective. Even ABS (a pretty difficult to recycle plastic can be ground and formed into things like park benches and other items. The resale market is also not hugely profitable, so alot of places just only deal with the higher grade stuff, not that the other stuff can't be recycled, they just can't make nay money doing it.
    PROFIT is made when you BUY/ACQUIRE NOT when you sell

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    OPINION: as I've said before nuthing much is going to happen till the world curencies settle . world reserve (trade dollars) weather they become won,dollars ,ameros or what ever will be backed by gold and silver maybe even copper when that happens which ever metals are the bace of the funding may go as high as 10,000 per oz depending on how much longer they let the printing presases run printing worthless debt notes right now some world banks are selling paper gold at a ratio of over100 to one against their actual gold holdings..401Ks and other bankster held accounts could become worthless over night. READ THE FINE PRINTon your banking financial contracts you know the print you need a 50x magnifyer to read along with banking regs passed over the past20 or so years and you will suddenly realise I'm right as soon as your so called money hits the bank YOU NO LONGER CONTROL IT, THE BANK DOES AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

    China copied us in every way and are done as a world financial power as soon as some one like Turkey or India calls their bluff.
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    well from the monster plastic mfgrs I talked too… right now there is what is called something like the china connection which cleans, grinds and works the vast majority of recycle plastics. at the current time there are three things against us all. 1) the china connections has closed there world buying 2) the cost for cleaning and grinding is apx .06 -.10 per lbs 3) the cost of crude oil is below $44. per barrel… making virgin plastic less than .04 per lb to mfgr.)
    until the price goes up on crude brining the mfgr costs up this market will remain down.
    now unless some place like India or another third world gets into the market and can force prices I believe we are doomed.
    Now in pasco county we have an incenerator with scrubbers that clean the stacks they actually use the plastics as a fuel. However they still charge $59. per ton for me to drop it off. crazy. But at the current time I have no other way to dispose of it. "its funny they charge me to dump the wood and plastics but picture tube glass I can drop for free as long as its free of all steel."

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    It's pretty sad that so much plastic gets taken to the dump if there is any way to reuse it. I would love to drop of all the leftover plastic somewhere if they would take it. Mike

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    Theres quite a bit of info on the net about turning plastic into fuel.
    Theres actually websites devoted to it, like 'Energic forum' 142+ pages of discussion and actual expriments and experiences.

    How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply - Page 143 - Energetic Forum

    I have tried it on a small experimental scale. It works.
    My condensor was too small and didn't work well (hell it was just a steel tube 4 foot long...nothing fancy)

    And as I was using plastic coated wire as a source of plastic, its got sulphur and other stuff in it and it gave off a sickly smelling sulphur smell.
    Hydrogen sulphide?
    Well thats what it smelt like, at the start, and then it went away a bit, and when I went for a short distance walk and came back, the smell was worse, which to me indicates Hydrogen sulphide.

    Now I have found out I can neutralise it by bubbling the exiting gas into water with baking soda in it.
    Thats a easy solution (sic) to a overpowering (sic2) problem.

    But yeah, you can get 2Lbs of fuel from a Kg of plastic.... ;- { >

    And, depending on the plastic you put in it, you get clean petrol fuel from it. Or a waxy Diesol, which can be reconverted @ 50% per run into petrol/diesol.

    This is my NewYears experimental goal. Petrol costs NZ$1.95 a litre here. I think thats US$5.25 a gallon.
    They, on the website, has worked out the fuel costs about US$0.40cents a gallon.. It makes 10 gallons a day in a simple setup.

    Its a shame that we (everyone) does not convert this plastic to fuel, its a win-win-win situation. Well one day I think we will.

    We should be hoarding Plastic and Steel for the future.
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    well I will pass on as many as 3 gaylords a week of plastic if someone wants to try it….
    I know when i talked with the head of my local incinerator at the dump. he told me there is a useful fuel rating to plastic and when they burn it it help to keep the costs of natural gas down for them. hahha ha they produce there own natural gas and sell what they do not use back to us. "keeps there natural gas costs down"
    back to what he said. because plastic is based in crude it has a high burn temp with little to no ash ratio (due to the temp they burn at). so it would seem to me that me brining them at 3 gaylords a week and based on my bill from them about one ton a month I think they owe me a check….. think I will ever see it...

    it is a shame that we have to resort to such a primitive practice. when the technology is available to reuse this product. as I have said in a previous post until we can get another country involved and give china a reason to start reusing and processing plastic. We will continue to have problems. Or we find other solutions such as making diesel or fuels from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matador View Post
    I think about 2/3 of this forum is filled with people named Mike!
    Well, since this thread has gone off topic I thought I'd mention something about common names. When I was younger just about everyone was named Bill. On the job, in my family, and even in social situations if someone called out "Bill!" about ten people would respond. So I started calling myself Billy in an attempt to remedy that situation. I didn't really like it at first, but it's grown on me.

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    as I view over the boards and threads, I notice this one with the heading of HOARD, HOARD, HOARD, and it makes me think of how hoarding is viewed as not popular and wise by the normal society.

    but then not playing games of chance is also viewed in much the same light as if you don't "invest" you can't WIN BIG.

    I view myself as a salvager and collector first and a hoarder of circumstance

    I have been "hoarding" for over 30 years now so I have a "badge" of HOARD, HOARD, HOARD, HO...

    out a sight, out of mind?

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    Hoarding is not business conscientious. It never has been. In my state and most others, you have an inventory tax...so legally speaking you shouldn't hoard. Still, there should not be a tie to gambling and investing. Investing suggests you have a much clearer idea of the outcome so as to make it a favorable endeavor with some risk. Gambling is to place nothing but risk on your stack of money. Hoarding essentially is gambling that a later price (in an era of heavy inflation) will outweigh what you paid for it after accounting for inflation and the length of time you were unable to utilize the liquid asset. But you fail to realize that most commodities have LOST ground to currency on a longer timeline. Gold might have seen a brief speculative increase...and I can't say that even outweighed overall inflation for the last 60 years...I very much doubt it.

    In this business, when we hoard we are taking X out of our ability to purchase more Y, thus reducing Y by quantity of X, making the net result Z, even more insignificant. And if we recycle Z to acquire more Y, you can see how this becomes an exponent much faster than hoarding it to get more out of your X could make up for. So before you hoard even on a personal scale think about what scrap you can buy with that material if you sell it now.

    It gets even trickier when you should take a slight loss to continue to have cash flow so you have greater gains later on.
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    Holding onto material can be a gamble, but on the small scale, it's not much of one. Let's say that I'm holding onto 20 pounds of RAM. If I sell at a price that's $2 per pound less than it is now, that would be a loss of $40. That's not really a lot.

    Now, it is true that 20 pounds of RAM at $11 per pound is $220. If you need that, you should sell. If you don't, it's worth keeping, if only due to the fact that fitting another 15# into the box will negate the losses per pound due to the need of shipping a second box later on.

    If I had enough RAM that I could put two gaylords in the back of the Dodge, I'd sell. But, for 20#, the minimal gains are worth "gambling" over- at least for me.
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    "the more experienced members are continually turning over inventory. The most dangerous thing to do is sit on inventory and try to time the market [in the hope that] the prices are going up in the future"
    Joe Pickard ISRI Chief Economist

    full article at Scrap Magazine- Tools for Survival- November-December 2015

    you know how many stories I have heard about the guy Hoarding for the next big spike??? they all end the same, his grand kids getting ripped off selling thousands of tons of scrap at a terrible price so they can sell the property.

    Hoarding is not a business model, it is psychiatric disorder.

    Oh, and the mills and mines will slowly ramp back up so you cannot make the killing you are hoping for. expect prices to take as long to bounce back as they did to slip and there will be a LONG pause at $140/ton, that is where steel should be ( with regional variances). so 2 years to get above that is about right,

    Lastly $300/ton was NEVER NORMAL it was a spike that lasted too long

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    When measured and weighed with honest weights and measures I'm not a "normal" hoarder as that title has been used and applied to "normal" population.

    The salvage and scrap part of my Life, be it vehicles, large and small appliances, most electrical or electronic and other items that can be reused, parted & scrap or whatever is as if it don't exist most of the TIME for me personally as it was all paid for in full long ago. I have always viewed the many vehicles as tax free storage and the piles of other metals and such are yard decorations and private theme park props simply put.

    I'm a professional collector & trader of interesting & curious curios and needful things. And part TIME artist and handyman.

    I do understand that what works for myself won't work for most others as I travel a much more narrow pathway in Life then those of "normal" popular societies do.

    One rule of so called hoarding is to have clear and paid title on the property that you plan to store your treasures.

    Of coarse different peoples have different opinions of what is treasure and what is not at any given time or place.

    Another is to have no outstanding debts.

    It seems that it is very normal to go into debt gambling on beating the odds & ends that can be known.

    I gamble in a way, but I don't try and beat the odds that can be known. I let the known odds work in my favor by avoiding the wide pathway of popular ways and means.

    So I agree that it is BE$T that most DO NOT hoard if you can't afford the long term commitments & costs within true & honest realities.

    I Live in a TIME capsule that was constructed long ago to weather the possible future storms of whimsical tides...

    a sort of Noah's float or BIG fart theory for the scientific minded.

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    Every time this has come up, strong opinions surface on both sides. I guess this could fall into the periodic "is it worth it to scrap / breakdown ...?" threads that appear. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. It just depends. My personal opinion is that if it's not costing you rent to hold it, where's the harm? Especially if you don't need the cash immediately for other purposes (or to buy more material). If you think steel is going to hit $140 / ton in 2 years from current levels, there's a lot of room for upside (especially with those folks who are getting between $0.0 and $.02 / lb right now. It depends on the individual situation, there's not a "one size fits all" answer here.

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    Way I see it is this:
    If I paid $100 for a lot of computer items
    I hoard the RAM and CPU Ceramics for later

    Scrap out/Part out the Rest of my items and make say $300
    I have profited $200 Already.. and my "Hoard" Items are Gravy. If I chose to take the "chance" with prices of those mentioned items, tis my choice and my business.

    Always is YOUR business and choosing how YOU want to run it! Right?
    I'm so into scrapping.. When my Steel Toe Boots Wear out, I cut the Steel out of them and recycle the Toe!

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    Over 30 years ago the value of scrap cars was about $5.00 a ton and other metals and materials followed suit.

    Many thought I was "$tupid" or such as it was a TIME of having to pay to get rid of most unwanted items.

    I didn't pay them much mind as the adventures where rewarding and entertaining for me overall.

    I watched the scrap prices go up and drop back down a bit, but over TIME they always went up more then down.

    As the years went by and more of the money lenders and daydreamers in power figured that they would see how long the plow horses would last.

    I bring up plow horses as I remember a parable of a farmer with a couple of plow horses and when the price of feed went up the crafty farmer decided to see what would happen if he cut the work horses feed ration.

    The team worked the day without any slow down. So the farmer cuts the feed ration some more and the team pulls the day with no problems. So the farmer is so caught up in his money saving enterprise that he cuts the feed ration again.

    The team plows along just as usual until about noon and then they drop dead.

    That is how the societies have been adjusting the budget and the plow teams of human understanding are dropping dead all over the world as I write this.

    Creating more money is much like cutting the feed ration for a team of plow animals by adding sawdust and such as a filler.

    If money was horse feed, what good does it do after the dead end team no longer requires it?

    playing the ponies is not a wise investment in many ways.

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    inflation from 1980 to now is utterly shameful. Dollar only inflation brings the figure to $14.43 from $5. 188% increase

    Not alot to consider but...wait theres more.

    Average rent amount according to the U.S. census in 1980 was $308. Today it is $1314, a 327% increase

    Average cost of food increase almost 650% from 1980 to today.

    These are the two main expenses in a household, and both have gone up in excess of inflation. In fact since we are on the subject of scrap specifically I came up with a formula.

    Hoard=H

    If H=Vt with t being as follows t=inflation rate multiplied by cost of living adjustment multiplied by years V is your value. So... it would be practiced like this: V is always current value based as a commodity.

    Let's throw memory under the bus. Let's call it H is 100lbs at 12 a pound, today. So.... if you SOLD today net result 1200 bucks. But, if you hold for three years at 5% inflation rate and 3 % Cost of living adjustment

    year 1 you need 1297.80 to break even on your hoard you could have sold at 1200. (Mind you this is worst case scenario circa 2008-2010)

    year 2 you need much more 1399.20...

    year 3 you get the point, this compounds ever year...and suddenly seeing this in text you realize why even though you get paid more than you did five years ago you feel like you make less money. Can you imagine if gas prices suddenly went back up? We'd all be flat broke.

    having done clean outs over and over again it's...repetitive. Hoarding imho is an old hat way of thinking that no longer works in a severely inflative economy that LOOSELY bases its markets on any commodity at all.

    I also wanted to state that cars today as MUCH more valuable in scrap based on the wiring, aluminum, circuit boards, high strength steel unibodies (using better materials) the bronze, high speed bearings, cats, pre cats, oxygen sensors, heck the PCM by itself today is more valuable to resell than the scrap value of the car (at these prices). Compare a car from 1980 at today's inflated prices, you really are not that far off from a 5 dollar shell...not far at all. ((I know its apples and oranges...but just saying))
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    In general I agree with you, and you are absolutely correct in that there are other "costs" of holding material beyond something as simple as rent. A similar comparison can be made with having money in a savings account. At current rates (where you are lucky to get 1%, and unless you have a substantial balance, you probably aren't right now), you can argue you are losing money by having it sitting in an account versus putting it to work elsewhere. But that assumes you can put it to work somewhere at a better return.

    In any case, there will never be a consensus on this. Well, other than everyone wants prices to go back up... at least a little.

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