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    Computer boards ETC .

    I never watched the price of computer parts with diligence
    Can any one tell me historically what the Computer parts - MEM - CPU - Boards in relation to current gold per oz is.
    There must be a ratio . As you know there is a GSR gold silver ratio . there would also be a G-ComputerParts-R even if it's our own computations


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    I would think a ratio between gold tipped ram and gold would be a reasonable indicator. There's too many categories available, could make it messy. Current gold price is around 1225/oz and a popular buyer is paying 13.50/lb for gold ram. So roughly a 100:1.1 ratio between gold and ram. Won't give you specific pricing, but it can be tracked to give an indication of prices. That's my thinking anyways...

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    So the question :
    If we use Ram as the example , is the ratio consistent from year to year .
    My desire is to sell off computer ram , chips ECT. and take money and buy Gold and Silver , if the ratio is consistent year to year , then I feel selling said items matters not when or if price is up or down as long as money is used for Gold / Silver that sets pace.

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    The true value of gold never really changes only the value of fiat money . Ceaser could buy a fine toga, robe and sandals for one gold coin. tomorrow go to the type store Ceaser would go to and price a good suit, shirt and, shoes.

    The real value your looking for is a secret well guarded by refiners, as gold prices went up the e parts manufacturers looked cheaper ways to produce their products. chips ,pins ect have very little gold value except for a very few select types. The same is true with mother boards. Parts that historically are changed on occasion remain pretty much the same, finger cards and memory.

    We are doing at least twice the business we did 4 years ago. Our net profit has dropped every year.

    People a lot smarter then me think Gold and Silver are under priced by 300% to 500% or more.

    There is a reason the mega banksters don't buy paper gold but sell it and don't sell physical gold but buy it.

    If you would like me to get deeper into this I will give you my blog site.

    I don't know if this answers your question.
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    Here is a theory I am going to examine with regards to observations. Ram sticks may have more or less gold fingers, shorter longer etc, but the size of the gold fingers appear to me very uniform and consistent across the board regardless of brand and type. Laptop ram fingers are a size apart from desktop, but within those categories the little tiles are the same size. If someone uses the aqua regia method to do a count on how many fingers of those things will weigh out per gram. then people can count the gold value on their ram by how many of those fingers are on there.

    Its a step. What acid is it to use to separate those gold fingers from the ram??


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    Hey copper I think I know what your getting at lets look back to when gold was at its all time high price range the $1700's, buyers were paying around $17.50/lb .A year later gold was around $1500oz and ram sticks were going for around $15/lb so it does seem to be there was a ratio of sorts but very general. Yes even boards sort of went down in percentages along with the prices of gold but oddly enogh not on the same ratio scale as ram. Maybe there are other determining factors such as different PM's in those boards. I have been selling for 5 years so I do see the corallations.

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    Most likely, there is a ratio of the value of the gold (on like boards) to the price of gold. What you are not taking into account is the cost to do business or the overhead. Over the last few years, the price of gold dropped and labor costs either stayed the same or went up. Because of this, I don't believe you will find a good creation except on very high value items.

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    Thanks - considering other metals as a factor that changes ratio's your answer indicates to me , as long as I reinvest profits ,
    I can sell computer stuff for Gold /Silver and not concern if I am selling at best time . As long as I have confidence in Gold /Silver as an investment in general it's a good move.

    The other factor of computer parts , I feel might be the longer they are sold the more educated people get. It's clear there are precious metals in Ram CPU Boards
    but as time goes on the refiners know what is best for PM content . We can assume the closer to the beginning of the selling of parts also had many people buying just for the hype and dream of using acids to refine them selves . By now the reality of difficulty has weeded out many & replaced with more and more people who know the true intrinsic value. Considering items can still be sold at a decent price the value is real & shows hoarding the parts is a good thing to do.

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    Hang on to some RAM sticks and use them as currency when the markets collapse and paper money is used for toilet paper... Hey here's two sticks of RAM, now give me a loaf of bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiffy117 View Post
    Hang on to some RAM sticks and use them as currency when the markets collapse and paper money is used for toilet paper... Hey here's two sticks of RAM, now give me a loaf of bread.
    here is a small quantity of Silver or Gold from JM bullion
    Buy 1/10 oz Walking Liberty Silver Rounds Online l JM Bullion
    Buy 1 Gram Sunshine Gold Bars (Brand New) l JM Bullion

    Don't you think cashing in for this is better even with the loss of premium $ over spot.
    What guarantee can you give that Ram will be excepted as barter when
    there is debate that Gold /Silver could have a lapse of value during
    a recuperation time if SHTF .
    We know this - Food & water will have value - Guns - ammo - Lead

    Now really if The SHTF American Sates could enforce a marshal law that until a time prescribed
    as stable , items such as copper pipes , wire , or any items that could be stolen out of desperation for cash hence food
    could have a moratorium. As we all know during high prices theft of metal is an issue . Stories of A/C's taken out of windows even.
    During times of desperation if people found out RAM = Bread homes would be invaded for computers . Considering during Hurricanes and Floods permission to be at a home scrapping is law
    and I had seen unknown scrappers turned away , and cops show up as a cast iron sink was plopped off a mini van
    it's possible during SHTF the gold silver and copper of value will be Coins and items with documentation of proof to have.
    It might not be a bad idea to take pictures of your scrap & photo shop it to a worded document then have it notarized
    to establish time of ownership and by virtue of proof you are of the type that did hoard .
    Most likely being a regular at a scrap yard might be the best record of all.
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    First let me say Precious metal refining should never be discussed on this forum. It can easily kill you with one minor slip.

    Ram and finger cards will always be a value (barter/cash) item as long as there is communication. Other computer items will be less so. I wont discuss the reasins on this forum.

    It has been said that one ton of mother boards = one oz of gold + other value PMs. It has also been said it takes 40 Sq inches of gold fingers to yield one gram of gold. I don't know if that is accurate, the true info is too closely held. My results vary for several reasons. I do know that if it is true then e mining has more value then most gold mines.

    That said, I have been refining my gold fingers for over one year and still have not reached one T ounce of .999. A little reality.
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    Ignore the ram for a moment.

    I believe the larger refiners survey things like mobos, finger cards, cd/dvd boards, HDD boards, etc every so often to update their expected yields. The reason for that is because the ratio of board to PM yields has been dropping for years. The commonly accepted view is that scrap prices would continue to drop even if the prices of PM's held steady.

    Another thing to consider : Calculate the value of a single stick of scrap ram or p-4 style processor. It's pretty small potatoes. These two things have been thought of being the best sources for scrap gold recovery from a computer.

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    I think NobleMetalWorks touched up on that subject once or twice. If I remember correctly, about the only way to really know the gold content in any item is to send a sample out to be assayed. But that winds up being a trust issue. I doubt you'll get an accurate number otherwise.

    Just for the heck of it, I did a Google search for "how to assay gold in a motherboard" and wound up finding an Adobe .pdf file that might help you. Can't figure out how to link to it because once you click on it, it the browser automatically downloads it. But you can search for "eScrap Refiner's Gold Mining Guide" and after you download it take a look at it. Don't know how accurate it is though.

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    Your ratio calculations are always going to be inaccurate because a lot of "scrap" pricing is calculated by the value of recovered reusable components. I can assure by my breakdown experiments, at 0.70/Lb for scrap laptops there is no profit after costs of labor. Even shredding doesn't make much money on them but a lot of value can be recovered if you have wholesale buyers of the components you can recover. RAM pricing is perhaps the best example of this as there are still people buying gold RAM at $15/Lb in my area...too close to actual yields to make money after costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olddude View Post
    First let me say Precious metal refining should never be discussed on this forum. It can easily kill you with one minor slip.

    Ram and finger cards will always be a value (barter/cash) item as long as there is communication. Other computer items will be less so. I wont discuss the reasins on this forum.

    It has been said that one ton of mother boards = one oz of gold + other value PMs. It has also been said it takes 40 Sq inches of gold fingers to yield one gram of gold. I don't know if that is accurate, the true info is too closely held. My results vary for several reasons. I do know that if it is true then e mining has more value then most gold mines.

    That said, I have been refining my gold fingers for over one year and still have not reached one T ounce of .999. A little reality.
    1/2 # of fingers = aproxx 1-1.25 grams of gold, if you are good. 11# of ram =1# of fingers. Most of the gold in ram is in the flatpacks NOT the fingers. But it is easier to refine fingers than flatpacks.
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    The escrap gold miners guide has some miss-information in it. Most of it is good but there are a few errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olddude View Post
    First let me say Precious metal refining should never be discussed on this forum. It can easily kill you with one minor slip.

    Ram and finger cards will always be a value (barter/cash) item as long as there is communication. Other computer items will be less so. I wont discuss the reasins on this forum.

    It has been said that one ton of mother boards = one oz of gold + other value PMs. It has also been said it takes 40 Sq inches of gold fingers to yield one gram of gold. I don't know if that is accurate, the true info is too closely held. My results vary for several reasons. I do know that if it is true then e mining has more value then most gold mines.

    That said, I have been refining my gold fingers for over one year and still have not reached one T ounce of .999. A little reality.
    Olddude
    I noticed right away you mentioning .999 for fingers gold recovery.
    The way I look at things now that .999 is a major equipment, chemical, labor killer of the value of those fingers. Those foils are anywhere between 18-22 Karot after retrieval with very little chemical cost or danger involved.
    BUT that step from Karot gold to .999 refined gold is a real killer. Literally maybe.
    Regardless if you have a ingot/button of refined or Karot gold you will have to have it assayed and pay for that service for selling value. (proof)
    I personally skip the overhead and danger of .999 and deal with the foils as is.
    Karot gold has just as much value as .999 but in a lesser percentage. 10,14,18 etc.
    Look at any piece of gold jewelry!

    I hope some old time refiners aren’t going into cardiac arrest about now.

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    Depending on what you want out of your gold .999 is attainable without added equiptment. And if you can consistantkey produce that purity you should be able to sell for pretty close to spot price. It is all in the washing procedure. I see Scott is around , hopefully he will have some input.

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    There is a Big difference between olddude, you and I. Scott is in a total different league.

    We need to know over limits. LOL

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