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    eesakiwis adventures

    I figure I might start putting in here what I find and stuff.

    Most of my scrap comes from a small free scrap dumping area. Its 10 blocks from home.
    I use a plastic coal sack and car safety belt as straps. Car safety belt, when tied in a knot, always comes free when you untie it by finger. And it spreads the load on my shoulders.
    The most weight I have carried is about 60kg - 130lbs - ten blocks home.
    Last weekend it was a 55kg 3000watt UPS inc 15kg batterys, 20 blocks to home, from a dumpster. That was a great dumpster find that day. Made two trips, also got a homebrew barrel and superdooper reflux condensor and heating matt. New trailer lights etc etc.
    Homebrew alcohols legal here, even though I don't drink alcohol.
    I don't have a car to transport my scrap and find its generally better to just pay my neighbour for use of his vehickle. I pay generously, its a huge saving compaired to paying for my own, and its normally about the same as what I get for my Ali cans
    The Ali cans normally come from another neighbour, who I give any recycleable beer bottles (750ml) that I find in my travels too.
    He gives those bottles to a friend if his, who gives him free 'homebrew alcohol' in return as he needs them to bottle his homebrew for storage, and swaps...
    So you can see how far recycling can take you.

    Lately I have been scrapping down electronics, computers etc, from a guys backyard. He was into the ewaste thing till the company went bust. He's still got hundreds of CRTs to get rid off, but the Goverments gonna sort that out later. In the meanwhile he cannot use his yard, so I suggested that I do the work in return for the ewaste, I dispose of the plastic and he sells and keeps the $ from the sheetmetal.
    That way there's no time wasted for him. He's got his own business on the property too.



    So far I have been saving up metal from the start of this year. Have about 160kg #2 Copper, 25kg Brass, 250kg + Ali and sacks of plastic coated wire. Sack of Ali/Copper.

    Today I got.
    A motorbike battery, 20 odd floppy drive boards, Ali extrusion 12ft long box section, several coils plastic coated wire, 3 computer power supplys, 6 ft Copper tube with Brass fittings, small Cu wire drier motor, some Ali mesh.
    I found a computer xp home with hdrive and two microwaves. I will scrap the microwaves and take the computer home to see if it works. I can swap computer stuff with another guy who fixes washing machines etc.

    At home there's 4 fridge compressors and 2 microwave transformers to break down.
    Since I expect to get another fridge compressor tomorrow, and more soon, I wait till I have ten or more before scrapping them. The cases I fill with transformer & motor iron cores & tack weld shut & sell later as 'HM insize' @ NZ$220 ton. That $ goes back to the scrap dropoff areas owner, so I try & get the maxamim $ for it, for him. To keep things turning over happyly. He's picking up two ton + of sheet metal from my property soon. Its all superclean and as he gets a good price for it, deserved.
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    any chance of pics?


    not nice to tell us all about what goodies u have & not show us pics.

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    Wow, backpacking stuff!! Probably keep in shape that way.

    I got a little lost on the scrap drop off site. Someone else owns it but he lets you scrap some of it. Or is he paying you for breaking down the e-scrap and then gets a cut of the cash?

    Why you saving up so much of the non-ferrous stuff before selling it? I'd be concerned about break in and someone stealing it...

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    I will try and get pics of my metal for you soon, I'm just not computer literit...
    Yep, its a free 'metal dump off yard'. We don't do 'curbco' in NZ. I never relised anyone did till I came to SMF.
    He owns the yard and when its sorta full, loads it into a large truck and takes it to the scrapyard and sells it as, I guess, 'shred'.
    Though that's a deal between him and them. Because I help out there, pushing stuff to the back so there's access to it, stacking roofing iron in bundles, help randoms unload, help discourage people from dumping rubbish and tvs etc.
    The owners OK with me going thru it and taking only the nonferrous, because its light, he does not get paid extra for it anyway and I make the lost weight up by giving him all my ferrous, which I can't store or carry home or take to the scrappers without a car anyway.
    Random people dump metal there, stuff from home cleanups and old fridges washing mc's, car parts, roofing iron etc.
    Some businesses dump stuff during the day since it takes them too long to go to the scrapyard, mostly because its just easyer. They can dump the old roofing iron etc off and get to their next job quicker.
    The local council are (sorta) ok with it because "if it didn't end up there, it'd end up on the roadside somewhere else...."

    I was taking my metal in, by catching a bus and carrying the metal in a small sack wrapped in a jacket, or a backpack. But, it takes up a fair wack of time and I know I loose about a lb of metal with every sale since we are Metric here. I was doing about $50 Copper every week. Aluminium, I'd have to carry there in a sack on my back, 50 odd lbs, 30 city blocks.... for $50+...
    Yeah.....

    Today I picked up, microwave transformer and interior parts. A little Ali ex. The guts of 16 odd computer power supplys. The boards, stepper motors, wiring and steel shafts from a Xerox & a Fujitsu colour photocopier. Some other wire and random small bits of Copper. And the computer I found yesterday.

    I seperated off all the plastic and Steel from the copiers and filled a microwave with the small parts and the powers supply cases, and screws.... lots of screws.
    This is for the guy who gave me the computers to pull apart. Once I have cleared up the mess in his yard (except for the CRTs..) He will sell the sheetmetal steel, get some $ for it and I will get rid of the plastic for him.
    Once that's done, we will sort out his Tv's, see how many he's got 'on the books' and I will get the others, I get to pick which ones, for the Copper inside them. I will have to get rid of their cases though.
    For the rest of tonight (its Sunday night here, 10:30pm) I will sort and clean down what I'M can from today. Mostly the power supplys and random wire, it takes up the most space.
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    if u dont mind me asking,
    do u live off scrap only?

    or do u have another job?

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    I like taking apart computer power supplies. Usually nice Al heat sinks there. There is 1 e-scrap buyer in my metro that's on this forum. I plan to take over some boards and see what he would give for them. If power supplies would go more as whole there instead of scrapped, might save them up for him. I'm saving all my gold ram, etc. Maybe try to home refine it some day. A fantasy to see if I could actually do it and produce something...

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    Some of the power supplys have a small, easy to break in 1/2, transformer in them. Some have Copper heatsinks, very few of them.
    There's no scrap dealers who buy escrap here, in my area or in the whole of NZ. There's one guy who does have a 'contact' in Asia who buys escrap. He has got the 'contact' thru buying Jappa cars 'n vans and tearing out the engines/gearboxes and shipping them in containers to Asia & the middle east.
    So its going to be a learning curve for both of us.

    I am on a benefit, no shame in that in NZ. Stress mainly, screws up my eyesight, fall over... People stress mostly, asbergic don't help either. I expect the truth because that's what truth is, reality. False is fake, fake is not real, not real in a real world is stress.
    So, scrapmetal does not involve others much and removes ambiguity. Scrapmetal is about the only game where "If I do this, you will give me this $$" and it actually happens like that. 'Cept a couple of times, sorted that out of the mix.

    I am self reliant, got my own house when I was working, welding fitting turning construction. Have a trade.

    Today, on the walk to the scrapmetal, found a pile of Ali cans and will get them tomorrow.
    I didn't get much other metal, spent the day scrapping down a 4 toner photocopier, unscrewing screws.....
    From that I got a bunch of stepper motors for my mini lathe. The emco minilathe works well if the hand wheels are turned by motors. Turned by hand the machine finish is rough, it needs consistancy. Stepper motors will do that.
    Next step would be semi CNC controls. My next door neighbour is a computer buff/tinkerer. Great guy, ex school teacher & Vietnam vet. He's really interested in doing the computer stuff for it.
    Its going to be set up inside a older Singer sewing machine case. Portable.

    On a side note, I am intending to build a metal lathe from a set of motorbike front shocks. Sounds weird, but I'm a fitter/turner, latheworks my job. Sort of a cross between a mini lathe and a Capstan lathe, but using only specific second hand parts. Probably a collet chuck. And a tailstock using the 5 piston car AC pump, 5 tools in it.

    Ok, so today I got stepper motors, big handfull of steel shafts, plastic coated wire, Copper strips, Ali rocker cover, Ali housing, Copper winding drier motor. Found a large flatscreen LCD tv, will check that tomorrow for broken screen.
    But mostly I am near finished the clearing of the guys yard.
    Tomorrow I start on the plotter printer, which I want most of the parts from for a project. And scrap some 26 v DC power supplys, toroid transformers, from CCTV system. I wish I could do something with them, sell them.
    But scrappings quicker. I don't have a need for them, 12 + 26v outputs for cct cameras..

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    Sounds like you keep plenty busy!!

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    You ever use a bike and trailer for scrapping? Seems like you have the talent to whip up a trailer to increase the amount you can carry.

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    Eesa,

    You got plenty stuff to do! I'm a wannabe fitter/turner--over here they call it a machinist. I became an engineer instead--I think they call it a "chartered engineer" in the UK...not sure about your part of the globe.

    I've always wanted to play with CNC and finally am getting it in sight. Just picked up an old electric eye burner from a fab shop--I'm friends with the boss and stopped by a few weeks ago just as it was preparing to go into the scrap dumpster. I'm hoping to get it running with steppers or servos.

    You might find some of the slider rods out of the photocopiers and printers look very nice for axis slides for CNC but don't be surprised if you find them harder than the hinges of H*ll. Great if you don't have to rework the ends much. They might be softened by judicious heating and slow cooling.

    I think your idea of a toolchanger from an air conditioning compressor is a great idea. You have an agile mind for sure!! And not scared to work...walking 10 blocks each way to chase scrap, well, I have to imagine you are one wiry dude with all that excercise...

    I'll be watching for updates to your thread!

    Jon.

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    I tried using a small garden trailer behind my pushbike. I made a drawbar from a old bikes front forks.
    Sorta hard to describe, but the forks bolted on the rear axle of my bike, the first two inches of frame was still on the front forks( which were horizontal behind my bike) I welded a steel plate across where I cut the frame off the donor bike. In the centre of the plate was a 1 inch hole, which had a bolt up thru it, that connected the drawbar to the drawbar of the trailer. It was a good idea, I can turn corners because it swivels at the bolt, and I can lean the bike over because of the swivel.action from the frame of the donor bike on its headstock on the forks.

    But, I used it twice.... The wheels are too small a diameter and wide, there's just too much rolling friction in the tyres.
    I carted 6 odd microwaves and a few fridge compressors.
    It ment pedalling hard the whole time, even going downhill...... Too much sweating and I got followed by someone in a car the second time I used it.
    However, it will get modified so it can be towed behind my honda xr250.
    For the bike, which I would like to make a usable trailer for, I have started making one using a small fridge shell and two wheels from pushbikes, less rolling resistance. It will need welding to make it, can't see a way around that.

    Yesterday I got rid of the lightgauge iron from my property in the deal I have with the guy who let's me scrap the nonferrous metal from his scrap metal dropoff yard. Good, less mess at my place and some ca$h in his pocket.

    Today I finished scrapping a plotter printer, got Copper from 3 crt tvs, washing
    machine motor, various steel shafts and some escrap, 1kg ali casting a dehumidifier and a toroidal transformer from a cctv power supply 26volt by 12outputs. I want to see what it scraps out at because there's some others, it may pay to sell them. Along with some 9 yr old servers from the same cctv setup. Dell brand.

    Tomorrow I will be helping shift 50 odd CRT tvs, I will get the Copper out of the best yealding ones, about ten tomorrow, another ten next week. Oh, and helping the guy shift his metal so he can take it to the scrapyard.
    He's got internet, so we can see what the servers are worth.

    By the end of this month I should have sorted out all my metal so its ready for selling, next week will be busy cleaning stuff down. Then next month, clean down the escrap and sell it.

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    'Electric eye burner'. I'm guessing that's a 'profile cutter', the sort where you draw out what you want on a sheet of white plastic and there's a photodiode 'eye' that follows the line and traces its profile, while the oxy cutter, or plasma cutter, does the same movements on the other side of the machine.

    If yah think I'm inventive... google image 'nut and bolt pipe' I invented that in '93. It got copied within a year or two. Now its all over the world. Exact same size and weird thread that I used. Made and sold about 400 of them and still have some parts and the larger prototypes I made to see if the idea worked.
    You probably have some in a shop in every city in the world now.
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    Rained yesterday. So today I started late. Got to my area & found 6 microwaves..
    Only 1 of them was a invertor, yay. The rest seem to be 'double Coppers.'
    Just after I got there, my nemesis drove by, haha, 'yah not stealing any metal now...'
    Between that and a washing mc motor & some wire, a glass beer jug 1litre, a fridge icebox.
    That was a 45kg load to carry home.
    Nice, it ups my microwave transformers to about 9, + a Copper motor.
    The 5 servers I have are Dell 2850. I sent a message and 'no bites' was the answer. Oh well.

    This weekend is 'labour day' a sorta workers holiday on Monday. That, with spring weather, means people will be out cleaning up stuff, which means more metal dumped, which means I should be at the metal dumping area to get first dibs, and to clean it up a bit if the owner doesn't on Saturday.
    If I'm there, I can help others unload, get first chance at the metal and drive off people wanting to steal stuff, and rearrange the roofing iron into a nice wrapped pile so the owner can pick it up with the grapple in one go.
    It also helps stop people dumping rubbish there. 1/2 of them just come back later, or to dump it elsewhere.

    Also, I have 2 car batterys, 3 fridge compressors to take home, along with what I can scrap out of what's been put aside. Someones (nemesis, fat fxxx, steals metal with 'weight' to sell to scrappers, stealing from metal dumps owner) found my 'spot' where I store stuff I cannot carry home at the time. I lost a cast iron gas hob and real nice cast iron cooking pot, and found the lid just afterwards....
    I need 40 kg Copper wire #2 to get to my goal, so far, unscrapped I have about 14kg. Plus 4 elsewhere.

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    Keeping busy! So why a 40 kilos goal (88 pounds, right??)?

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    You said spring arrives lucky you. The day light is getting short and the leaves are falling outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DakotaRog View Post
    Keeping busy! So why a 40 kilos goal (88 pounds, right??)?
    Its so I get a total of 200kg #2 Copper....
    I 'won't count my chickens' on the amount of 'Domestic Copper' till its bare Copper in my hands, the rest I can figure out sorta what its worth. But hearing that metal prices have dropped.. ouch. Dunno what its done at my yard though.

    Today, I got 2 all Copper microwaves, a purple ceramic Gold pin CPU computer, a cast Ali chassis lawnmower (great score, looks like it works) a small flatscreen, 4 small cable CRTs, a mix of small Ali & wire.
    30kg load plus the lawnmower...

    I did, stack all the roofing iron so its easyer for people to dump their stuff there.
    Tomorrow I will get what's arrived, the fridge compressors and start moving some CRTs and sort out the bigger cable ones, the Sony flatscreens.

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    .Yesterday, got in a bit late but got 3 crt tvs, some extrusion from ovens and such. It was a little rainy.

    Today, musta been a few garage sales on Saturday as some random stuff turned up. 1kg window putty (and I really needed it to!) Fancy glass bottle and otwo real old ones, bubbles in the glass and a seperatly molded neck on the bottle, which means its real old, can be dated by that.
    7× 750ml beer bottles, that I swap for Ali cans..which pay for my petrol..
    A cast Ali lawnmower, yay, another one, so somebody brought a brand new one this weekend.
    7 crt tvs degausing cables, 2 thick ones. Ali pot. More extrusion. Scrapped the server for escrap, have another 6.
    A 'jerry can' fuel container. Really really handy, 'spesh for motorbikes.
    I also found & threw x2 55gallon.drums & a sheet iron (newish, used for cow farms water throughs) enamel bathtub, over the fence for the yards owner. I get a "thanks for that, being honest" from the owner. Kudo's.
    3 fridge compressors which I still have to pick up, along with the others.
    I also stacked all the sheetmetal into the guys van, the guy who let me keep all the escrap he didn't want, heapsa computers etc. He will probably sell the metal tomorrow, that's his metal, his 'cut' of the deal. Gotta keep everyone happy.
    He mentioned today about the crts I can have, I thought 20 at the most, closer to 100...& I get to pick which ones, yay!!!!!!!
    Gotta go, I have 26 blocks to walk and its 1/4 to midnight mon night & I'm standin on the side of the road doing this entry. Its cold, but not too cold.
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    I went and picked up the 20kg compressor last night, and got the 20litre jerrycan too as its light weight.
    Today soon, another visit and by using the lawnmower as a trolly, pick up the two compressors and maybe the 2 car batterys as well.
    Have a look at the yard, see if its been cleared, see what else has turned up.
    There's a couple of printers to get to too. I like them, a board and the print heads got lotsa Gold, plus the shafts and wire.
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    The day after the last post, I found another, green this time, jerry can, canny?! Another kg of window putty, some Kerosine and linseed oil, all yard sale leftovers I think, someone needed them gone.

    The next day, a lawn mower again, this time its a 2 stoke, plenty of compression, yay.
    Stripped out 4 tvs, Ali extrusion from a fridge and scrapped down the 7 servers after all.
    I carried the large fridge compressor on my back and pushed home the lawnmower with the rest of the stuff on it.
    Nice haul.

    Today, talked to the guy with the tvs, told him about the red jerrycan, he mentioned he'd like to have one, would pay for it (the red one) as he's got a car the same colour. So I'm giving him that one and I will keep the green one.
    I stacked corrigated roofing iron at the scrapmetaldumpoff yard, to make more space for them.
    And got a car aircon compressor, dunno if its a piston sort yet. That's what I'm looking for for my lathe.
    Scrapped out 5 crts with super thick cables, one random one of med size cable.
    A couple of store display steel tubes for my gocarts.
    And the last two motherboards from the servers I scrapped yesterday and a fridge compressor. Car spark coil.
    Total today 35kg, small load....
    I left a reduction drive I found from a old car, its still got long metal bits stuck to it, reduction drives are handy, great drop in revs for something like a rumbler I intend to build from a flying saucer shaped gas bottle.

    Tomorrow, intend to do another 5 crts, fridge compressor, reduction drive and see what else I can pick up.

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    Went to scrap a few crts, did 7 of them. A couple of things I found out...

    If you look thru the ventilation slits you can see the degaussing cable, if you get the light right.
    No matter how thick the cable looks, its actually a little thicker....
    Looking at the cable like this, does not tell you how long the cable is. There's a big difference.

    Someone mentioned about the feild winding Copper cable around the tube being glued to the tube in one Tv.
    Its a 'Thompson' brand, its also got two small sub speakers in the rear of the TV case. Easy to see.

    The 'Trinatron' TV's have the thickest degaussing cable. Though the length does change.
    Google 'trinatron' to find out why, its to do with the metal screen inside the tube. The metal its made out of is a .special alloy, very low expansion rate, used where ever a metal connection thru glass is needed. Like in light bulbs.
    This metal, dunno what its called, commands its own price if you have several Ton of it, dunno price either.

    The longest cable was about 10 feet long.
    The second longest cable was in a 29 inch TV that had 'pop out' speakers in its sides. Near 10 foot long.
    I'm doing the biggest TV's first, bigger cables.

    I forgot about finding... 10 pounds of Lead pipe. As we, and the rest of the world 'cept China, has shut down their Lead refinerys. And we seem to be needing more bullets... Leads only going to rise. Its the one metal I am not selling. Yay.
    2 Ali housing Copper winding electric motors. Neat.

    Got back to the yard today to find roofing iron scattered everywhere, gotta find out why.
    And the car steering reduction box had gone. ****! Considering where I left it, under some scrap pipe, really hard to see amongst the scrap. Dunno how someone found it. weird?

    I gave the guy the red jerry can, he's stoked with it (happy). I'm off to scrap the degaussing cables down.
    I need about another 10 - 15 kg of Copper source to get my goal of Copper before I take it in.

    Our NZ Copper prices have only dropped about 25 cents a kg. I think that's because our $ has shifted against the US$.
    But I still have to get actual prices at our yard to see 100%.
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    Are other people allowed to take from this area?

    and lead pipe.. (great score)

    as was stated by another scrapper at the yard
    "invest in precious metals.....Buy Lead!"
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