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    Tanks and cylinders.

    So on my new gem of a site i found today. I ran across a bunch of tanks and cylinders. Some i suspect were for propane or water and the others look like a nitrogen and oxygen cylinders. My question. Will the yard take them with just the valves removed or do i have to cut them up? Thanks. Oh by the way its a ton of weight or i would just grab the other goodies first.



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    You will have to ask your yard how they want them, every yard is different. My yard I frequent wants propane tanks cut in half after you pull the valves.

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    Cutting in half seem to be a bit of effort for what you are getting for the scrap !
    How are you cutting them with a torch or abrasive wheel ?
    Thanks in advance for the reply.

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    Like Mechanic688 said, ask your yard. One yard here has a sign that they do not accept propane tanks.
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    As a scrap yard we will take them if it as a hole on the side of tank that you can see from more than 10feet away when you are not looking at it. Reason being a tank not fully empty can be very dealy an could cause all sooo many problems. I know of a yard here who had a tank with about *they are guessing around 5 to 10psi* but when they went to crush the tank it hurt three people. When they tank blew it blew shrapnel not just from the tank but from things around it, It closed the whole yard down for a good bit (they went looking to find if there are any others with no holes before they would let people drop there scrap off...no one wants a lawsuit)

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    Question - can the brass valve be taken off without causing any damage? And does taking the valve off release pressure in the tank so it could be cut open with a grinder or would the sparks from the grinder ignite the propane residual in the tank. I've got several tanks I'm trying to figure out what to do with. The propane company will take them but not without the valve.

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    I've taken the valve out before to convert into a air tank. I opened the main valve all the way first, unscrewed the purge screw all the way, then unscrewed the valve pointing it away from me just in case. Not sure if that is right but it worked for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Question - can the brass valve be taken off without causing any damage? And does taking the valve off release pressure in the tank so it could be cut open with a grinder or would the sparks from the grinder ignite the propane residual in the tank. I've got several tanks I'm trying to figure out what to do with. The propane company will take them but not without the valve.
    Once the valve is out you should be good. Propane is more or less a gas so once the valve is open it will leave the tank but to be safe you can just let it sit around for a few hours before you go to cutting it or what ever. Reason why scrap yards want the hole an or be cut in half is..when your standing an you loading the scrap into the crusher you may not be able to tell if the valve is there or not, a hole you can see...a tank in half you can see...no deadly mistakes

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    My yard accepts them whole, without valves or with. Cut in half or not. The yard is also has an attached auto salvage, so I suspect they use any tanks with propane left in them for something.

    Fire extinguishers on the other hand, they require a hole in them, but the few I've taken, I've just unscrewed the top valve. (They have all been classified as sheet aluminum, also)

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    Thanks guys, as I have two old tanks that can't be refilled anymore.
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    If they are out of date, they can be retested and a new date stamp put on the tank. I think they go by 2 year increments after the initial 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrecycle View Post
    Once the valve is out you should be good. Propane is more or less a gas so once the valve is open it will leave the tank but to be safe you can just let it sit around for a few hours before you go to cutting it or what ever. Reason why scrap yards want the hole an or be cut in half is..when your standing an you loading the scrap into the crusher you may not be able to tell if the valve is there or not, a hole you can see...a tank in half you can see...no deadly mistakes
    I know it's going a little overboard, but pressurized propane tanks scare the heck out of me, but when I take off the valve, I fill the thing with water, and make sure there's no residue of any kind inside before I start cutting them.

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    Better safe than sorry,, that's using the ole bean.hehe. A friend of mine was brazing a gas tank off a semi and every time it would"belch" it looked like he was riding a bucking bronco; it would jump 3' in the air with him on top. Ye-haw,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dherik View Post
    I know it's going a little overboard, but pressurized propane tanks scare the heck out of me, but when I take off the valve, I fill the thing with water, and make sure there's no residue of any kind inside before I start cutting them.
    Maybe, but I was thinking about doing the same thing - after I let it sit for a couple days.

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    I'm sure a couple rounds of buckshot would take care of the hole
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    Quote Originally Posted by parrothead View Post
    If they are out of date, they can be retested and a new date stamp put on the tank. I think they go by 2 year increments after the initial 10 years.
    I never heard about that. The guy just told me he wouldn't refill because of the 10 year expiry date,(was only 2 months past) so I'd have to buy a new one. Ended up doing that but not from him.

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    Thanks everyone. I decided to ask may yard they say cut in half or a 10" diameter hole. But the advice was great i was wondering about residue and cutting them myself. Plus one tipster made me think maybe the crappy yard near me will take them as is. But either way i have some good options now. Thanks everyone.

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    Here's what my yard has to say on their website.

    IF YOU HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL EXPERIENCE, AND YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT HERE'S HOW TO GET TIN PRICE FOR YOUR TANKS..... BUT ONLY IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE MEAN THIS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING SCROLL BACK UP TO THE BIG BADDA BOOM PART OF THIS SECTION, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

    1. REMOVE THE VALVE ON TOP OF THE TANK

    2. FILL THE TANK COMPLETELY WITH H20 .... WATER

    3. PUNCH OR DRILL TWO HOLES IN THE BOTTOM OF YOUR TANK

    4. LET THE WATER DRAIN OUT OF THE TWO HOLES

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    A hair dryer or heat gun can help with getting the valve off, its a real light weld you gotta break. If you can stick the tank handles through an iron bar cast in concrete or something like that to stop it from moving, then take a monkeywrench and a 6' cheater bar to break the weld.
    I watched a video once in class where firefighters were trying to rescue a guy cleaning a 10 000 gallon empty benzene storage tank. He had been overcome by vapors inside, they took a demolition saw and tried cutting into the base of the tank while a hose with water was aimed at the cut. When they cut through BOOM two firefighters killed many injured. Tank was at atmospheric pressure-relative 0 PSI.
    Seeing that wrote off cutting into non-purged tanks for me. There might not be oxygen in the can YET but once you puncture it there will be.


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