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    Heavy Duty Transformers

    A guy at my shop repairs organs and brought me in a box full of organ transformers. Name:  transformer.jpg
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    Each one weighs about 5 pounds, any suggestions on how to break them down? Short of an angle grinder I'm kind of stumped.



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    Angle grinder is how I get the copper out. I just make a cut on opposite sides and bust it open from there. There is a way to do it using a chisel and hammer, but it takes a little longer.

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    I don't really have a place I can burn anything. Mostly working on the small stuff in my condo garage, and breaking down bigger stuff in my 'warehouse' heh.

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    I have bigger ones....I should take a photo of them...I had one a few loads back that was like 30pounds...

    I sell them whole at 1.30 a pound....steel and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrecycle View Post
    I have bigger ones....I should take a photo of them...I had one a few loads back that was like 30pounds...

    I sell them whole at 1.30 a pound....steel and all.
    Wow, thats a great price, my yard pays 25 cents a lb for transformers. My neighbor breaks bigger ones down for me with an air chisel but it seems like it takes him a long time and the mess that comes back is nothing short of spectacular! One 5 inch or so square transformer neat comes back in a 5 gallon bucket filled to the top with wire and metal, its crazy.

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    I'm going to take it to my bandsaw over at my dad's workshop this weekend. I'm guessing it should cut right through that sandwiched steel.

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    I just did a big one. Should've taken pictures, I apologize. I used a sawzall and collected 45lbs of copper. The ba$tards only paid me #2 price.
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    Try using a sharp wood chisel to cut the copper windings. Then push/pull them from around the steel. No need to cut the steel part if you take your time. Best of luck, Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked View Post
    Try using a sharp wood chisel to cut the copper windings. Then push/pull them from around the steel. No need to cut the steel part if you take your time. Best of luck, Mike.
    That defeats the purpose. I try to do things as fast as I can with the highest return.

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    I guess it depends on how much time you have to spend to upgrade the item by braking it down. I have lots of time so that's what I do. I buy transformers, motors and copper wire from other scrappers. I seperate the copper from the steel and strip the wire. It sells as #2 copper here. For me its the way to get to the copper. I'm not making a lot of money but it is the best I can do at this time, Mike.

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    I agree with Mike. A sharp chisel to cut one side of the wire then turn over and simply pry out the copper. It is fast and easy!

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    Sawzall Vs Grinder Vs Chisel Vs Air Chisel.


    OK. Computer UPS's have large transformers. I am getting many of these and some are quite large. I have been reading and searching and trying different things. I thought I would share.

    Wire Cutter
    Someone once said, just use a wire cutter and snip away. - Nope, no way.

    Chisel
    Then I read to use a sharp chisel. Maybe mine isn't sharp enough, maybe my transformers are to large with larger wires, but this worked if you don't have anything else to use. This takes a lot of pounding and a lot of time. Not the best way but it works.

    Air Chisel
    Again, very loud and messy and takes time. Maybe my chisel bit isn't sharp enough. I keep sharpening it, but it keeps dulling out. Again, I am working with large transformers. Works better then a hand chisel.

    Hand Grinder with cutoff disks
    I just got one in the mail last night. $30 harbor freight 4.5" heavy duty with metal cutoff disks. Finally broke down and purchased one. I was disappointed with how it works. I was able to cut through about 1/3 of the coil, turn the transformer 180' and cut another 1/3 the way through, but then i had to do cuts from the top to remove material to make room to complete the cut. I ended up with little wedges of copper wire and it took several passes to get the job done. Lots of copper dust and mess.

    Sawzall - Winner- hands down.
    $30 craftsman sawzall. I purchased a combo set of blades and used the metal ones for this task. This is a little intimidating at first, but for people experienced with a sawzall it shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure it's up to speed before you engage the coil. Also make sure the base of the sawzall is pressed as firmly as you can get it against the transformer to save on jumping around. Don't force the blade, maybe rock it up and down to get through the coil faster. This will cut the coil cap off in one pass and under a minute. It will leave copper dust, but not as much as the grinder.

    Procedure.

    I have done about 10 transformers so far. Most of them larger then fist size. I'm scared of the one I have on the floor... it's around 100 lbs. Can you see the quarter on this beast?

    <img src="http://usera.ImageCave.com/snsweigel/MuchWork.JPG">

    For ones that fit, clamp the metal core into your bench vice very tightly. I do this in the same orientation as the example pic.

    Using a sawzall cut through one side of the coil along the iron core as close as you can get without hitting the core and dulling your blade. Try to get it off in one pass.

    Unclamp the transformer and straddle it over something solid (remaining coil down). Make sure the coil isn't against anything and will be free to move. In other words, when you straddle the transformer make sure the core is on your blocks (or vice jaws or other transformers) and the coil isn't touching anything. Use a large punch (I found a nice square one on a rummage sale) and a hammer to drive the coil out of the core. Move one side a little then the other side a little and then the first side. If you try to get one side out all at once you will bind up the other side.

    You can either knock the entire core out this way or just move it a bit. after I move it a bit I flip it over and clamp it back in the vice. I should be able then to get a large screwdriver or prybar under the coils and pry them out all at once.

    Clean them up and into the #2 bucket they go.

    A transformer like the size the OP has in the pic would take under 5 minutes.

    Practice, practice, practice.

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    Very good write up and diagram, wdaddy.

    Thanks!!!!

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    Cool

    Thank,s for all the extra effort you put into this topic,very helpfull!!!

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    wdaddy, what you have accomplished in your post is what so many of us have tried to do with just words. Thank you for taking the time to do that. Someone still needs to do a video for I fear that some people (far be it from me to mention any names) STILL won't get it. And someone will ask the same question next week. Never thought this forum would be a good place to learn patience !! And to get so many good belly laughs. Lighten up everybody!

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    That's exactly how I do it. Works great. Had a bunch I was gonna turn in as is but just couldn't bring myself to do it. Decided to put some more thought into it. Very nice diagram.
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    I don't understand how to get the wire out.






















    j/k Dee!

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    Should sticky this or something

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    Wow, you just summed up what is so great about the community on this forum. You actually took the time out and put the effort in to make life easier for others on here. Sincere thanks.

    I was going to begrudgingly weigh in all of my motors/transformers as they are for I think 50p/KG after watching various Youtube videos in which the creators said it wasn't worth the extra time and effort. I opened up a small one today just by hitting it with a hammer a few times on the weld and the steel started to come apart. NO WAY will I weigh them in as they are now. May as well not scrap, if I'm going to give money away because it's easier.

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